Units and Glucose

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  • #16182

    paulroe
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    Ok so I’m working with a system that stores glucose measurements and codifies them with LOINC. I am reading from this system and it provides a single LOINC code for glucose measurements. My problem is twofold, I need the units for the value that was stored in the system and I need to know if the value was taken while the person was fasting. The crux of the issue is that the system seems to only store a single LOINC code for this measurement and I can’t seem to find any LOINC codes that will tell me both of those pieces of data at once.

    These LOINC Codes tell me the test was taken while the person was fasting but do not have a value in the submitted_units column so I don’t know the units for the measurement:
    6764-5,2353-1,1558-6,1557-8,1556-0,1555-2,1554-5,1550-3,14771-0,14770-2,14769-4,14760-3,14749-6,14743-9,11047-8

    This LOINC code tells me the value’s unit is mmol/L but does not tell me if the user was fasting or not as well as being very generic from what I can tell:
    53553-4

    Should they be storing multiple LOINC codes for this measurement? Should I be looking for the data I need elsewhere? Am I totally lost in the woods?

    Any help/guidance would be appreciated

    #16447

    kmercer
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    Without knowing what you mean by “system that stores glucose measurements”, I cannot give specific advice, but I’ll explain the differences between the terms that you listed and you may be able to decide which one you need. If this does not help, please contact us again.

    The terms that you have provided have a number of differences that need to be taken into account when deciding the appropriate LOINC code. Submitted units do NOT define a LOINC code – they are displayed for information only. The fully specified name for the codes that you provided is below.

    Component – some of the terms probably should not be considered as glucose values. They are flagged below.

    Challenges (text to the right of ^) – I’d suggest that for a fasting specimen without knowing the time of the fast that you use “^post CFst”

    Property – This is the field that you need to look at when trying to determine how your units are represented.
    MCnc means that the units should mg/dL (or similar variant)
    SCnc means that the units should be mmol/L (or similar variant)

    System –
    BldC means that capillary blood was tested
    BldV means that whole venous blood was tested
    Ser/Plas means that serum or plasma was tested
    Urine means that urine was tested

    Scale
    Qn indicates quantitative
    Ord indicates ordinal – results will be 1+, 2+, etc.

    Method
    Glucometer – test performed by glucometer. This usually is interpreted as a point of care test

    LOINC_NUM:COMPONENT PROPERTY TIME SYSTEM SCALE METHOD_TYP
    11047-8 Glucose phosphate isomerase CCnc Pt RBC Qn this component has nothing to do with glucose
    14743-9 Glucose SCnc Pt BldC Qn Glucometer
    14749-6 Glucose SCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    14760-3 Glucose^2H post meal SCnc Pt BldC Qn
    14769-4 Glucose^pre 12H CFst SCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    14770-2 Glucose^post CFst SCnc Pt BldC Qn Glucometer
    14771-0 Glucose^post CFst SCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    1550-3 Glucose^pre 12H CFst MCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    1554-5 Glucose^post 12H CFst MCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    1555-2 Glucose^post 12H CFst MCnc Pt Urine Qn
    1556-0 Glucose^post CFst MCnc Pt BldC Qn
    1557-8 Glucose^post CFst MCnc Pt BldV Qn
    1558-6 Glucose^post CFst MCnc Pt Ser/Plas Qn
    2353-1 Glucose phosphate isomerase CCnc Pt Ser Qn this component has nothing to do with glucose
    6764-5 Glucose^post CFst ACnc Pt Urine Ord Test strip
    53553-4 Estimated average glucose SCnc Pt Bld Qn Estimated from glycated hemoglobin This term is NOT a direct measurement of glucose. The value is derived from Hemoglobin A1c

    #16448

    paulroe
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    Thanks Kathy! That answers most all of my questions but it does generate one new one. For the Property values is there a place where those are enumerated or described or is it an industry standard or something that I can look up? I’m going to have to try and resolve the Property value to a Unit type (MCnc => mg/dL) for every data type that I’m collecting so that’s why I’m looking for a way to link these two data points.

    #16449

    paulroe
    Participant

    Anyone?

    #16450

    paulroe
    Participant

    Anyone?

    #16451

    kmercer
    Participant

    If you are using RELMA to search for LOINC codes, incorporating the units in the search paramaters will narrow the search to the correct property. I also suggest reviewing section 2.3 of the LOINC User’s guide (available at LOINC.org)

    #16452

    paulroe
    Participant

    If I have a lab test with a result of 100 and it’s LOINC Code is 14770-2 what is the unit type of the measurement? I know based on the property that it’s a substance measurement which means it will be a measurement of moles or milliequivalents but in what ratio? The documentation says that Substance denotes that the observation was reported with moles or milliequivalents in the numerator but it doesn’t tell me where to find what value to put in the denominator, which is 50% of the information I need.

    I’m still trying to resolve a LOINC Code to a Unit type (MCnc => mg/dL) for every data type that I’m collecting. This should be the simplest task that should be documented somewhere obvious and easy to resolve, however I’m on week 3 of this problem. Very simply, without using REMLA take me through how I get from 14770-2 —-> to a unit type like mg/dl OR mmol/L

    Frustrated beyond belief.

    #16453

    paulroe
    Participant

    After rereading this post and searching further I may be able to add more detail to my question. Earlier on Kathy Mercer said this:

    MCnc means that the units should mg/dL (or similar variant)
    SCnc means that the units should be mmol/L (or similar variant)

    What is meant by the phrase “similar variant”? If a lab test is coded with a LOINC Code that has a property of “SCnc” is that value always going to be in mmol/L units? If it wont always be mmol/L units how do I find out what units the value is in?

    #16454

    Pam Banning
    Participant

    For your question of what the “similar variants” are:

    The Mass Concentration property defines units of measure that are of a metric mass over volume format. Example variants include any portion of a gram over liter, such as ng/dL or mg/L.
    The Substance Concentration property defines molar units of measure. Example includes any portion of a mole over liter, such as mmol/L or mole/L.
    The LOINC property isn’t intended to reverse engineer an exact units of measure back from the LOINC code. Are you not receiving structured HL7 messages, where the units of measure have a defined location?

    If I can assist in relieving your frustrations, please contact me directly at pdbanning@mmm.com. We can trade phone numbers.

    #16455

    paulroe
    Participant

    Thanks Pam, that helps clarify things for me.

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